Earlier this week, we broke the story that Andy Stanley denied that there was a clearly revealed divine standard of morality to which we must all submit. Stanley’s contradiction of the Scriptures has been a mainstay of his ministry for years as he’s completely abandoned biblical authoritative preaching in favor of self-help motivational speaking with a little bit of Jesus-ey talk mixed in.

But now, he’s taken his blasphemous lies to a whole new level and claims that something Jesus taught wasn’t “necessarily true” and instead, people need to listen to what Andy Stanley says if they want to know the truth.

“For the moment, don’t hear me saying what I’m saying because it’s necessarily true,” Stanley blathered with his typical, non-pastoral sentiment. “Just hear me say what I’m about to say because this is what was said.”

“According to Jesus, good people don’t go to heaven. According to Jesus, it’s the very opposite of what most people who believe there’s a heaven actually think and believe. And the fact that Jesus didn’t believe that good people go to heaven, that doesn’t necessarily make it true, that’s just what he taught. And it’s what he said and it’s what he believed.”

Yep, Andy Stanley actually said those words. Listen for yourself: